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[King Feraligatr]

This is an archive about posts concerning the Rewrite on ME3Explorer not on the dedicated thread for it. The rules for this archive are a bit different than some other archives as I need the name and at least one link to the thread in the archive. To deal with this, these archives have a bit of different rules. Example:

King Feraligatr, thread "At this point, what do people want changed?" (link to start of thread: me3explorer.freeforums.org/at-this-point-what-do-people-want-changed-t2014.html), first posted on 19 Aug 2015, 01:36, no edits (post 18):

"ME2 and 3 should be changed to my rewrites NME2 and 3. Better writing, better plot, better gameplay, more chances to affect things, more epicness. And all pure win!

Leviathan needs some changes before I spring to get it. It seems to contradict MEHEM canon, it references that dam starbrat, you team up with even bigger bads than the Reapers, etc. Suffice to say, it adds too much dumb lore points and plot holes."

Something like that. Some things can be out of context. This is because I am only archiving posts concerning the Rewrite.

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JunkoXan, thread "At this point, what do people want changed?, first posted on 19 Aug 2015, 02:39, no edits (post 19):

" "KingFeraligatr wrote:
ME2 and 3 should be changed to my rewrites NME2 and 3. Better writing, better plot, better gameplay, more chances to affect things, more epicness. And all pure win!

Leviathan needs some changes before I spring to get it. It seems to contradict MEHEM canon, it references that dam starbrat, you team up with even bigger bads than the Reapers, etc. Suffice to say, it adds too much dumb lore points and plot holes."





I.... beg to differ... "

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King Feraligatr, thread "At this point, what do people want changed?", first posted on 19 Aug 2015, 03:01, no edits (post 20):

" "JunkoXan wrote:
I.... beg to differ..."



Just curious, why do feel this way? I made the rewrites for a variety of reasons. Some are: I find it fun to think about; I find it a way to cope with the criticisms I hear and add it to better game; I find it a way to redeem the series in my eyes; etc. Feel free to say why you disagree."

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AVPen, "At this point, what do people want changed?", first posted on 19 Aug 2015, 03:42, no edits (post 21):

" "JunkoXan wrote:

KingFeraligatr wrote:
ME2 and 3 should be changed to my rewrites NME2 and 3. Better writing, better plot, better gameplay, more chances to affect things, more epicness. And all pure win!

Leviathan needs some changes before I spring to get it. It seems to contradict MEHEM canon, it references that dam starbrat, you team up with even bigger bads than the Reapers, etc. Suffice to say, it adds too much dumb lore points and plot holes."


I.... beg to differ...

I must concur with that sentiment as well - specifically, structuring two different games to act as one big game and then cutting it at the halfway point into 2 games is a terrible design choice in video game production, additionally trading one antagonistic force in a game (Collectors in ME2/Cerberus in ME3) for another (Geth... again) would not improve any narrative deficiencies in either ME2 or ME3.

Also this suggested 'improvement':

"Shepard can be straight, gay, lesbian, bi, etc., but can only romance humans and Asari. No Garrus and Tali romances in my rewrite, for example"

Automatically gets a major "Hell f***ing no" from me personally. (guess that also throws Thane under the f***ing romance bus as well...) "

He's a Talimancer, hence his reaction (though he's a sane one and has other interests).

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King Feraligatr, thread "At this point, what do people want changed?", first posted on 19 Aug 2015, 04:12, no edits (post 22):

"@avpen Thank you for the feedback. It is very appreciated (I'm being sincere). I am sorry you dislike it; but some of my main aims with NME2 and 3 was to improve consistency, awesomeness, cohesiveness, options, writing, plot, etc. Hence why it adjust builds on ME1 more (I personally find ME1 arguably the best in the series) and then some. I've given it thought, and some of what I came up with makes more sense to me. I am willing to consider making NME2 and 3 one giant ass game and it ends after that, but that defeats the purpose of making it trilogy. Still, all constructive feedback is welcome. This total rewrite is meant to build off the ideas from others. It's how I came up with in the first place. Sorry that you don't seem to fit my target audience.

And about the Team Dextro romance thing, it's all part of my plans to make NME2 and 3 make more sense and cut down on the amount or romance options (way too much IMO). Sure, some people might like it, but it does it make sense and is it humane that you risk Tali's life and Garrus's health? No, it doesn't and no, it isn't. As I said before, it seems you aren't my target audience and I don't feel like bending backwards to account for everyone. Be best friends with Tali if you must. Please just don't feed the illogicness of a Tali romance and don't feed the crazy Tali fans' (which you are not) insanity. It's nothing against Tali and Garrus (I like Garrus A LOT and I like Tali), but they don't need this. The fanbase doesn't need this.The series doesn't need this I'm truly sorry and I'm keeping true thoughts restrained out of respect. (You could blame the fact I consider myself an aromantic asexual and don't know what it's like. Nor do I care.)

Again, thanks for the feedback and I'm sorry that I offended."

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AVPen, thread "At this point, what do people want changed?", first posted on 19 Aug 2015, 06:10, no edits (post 24):

" " KingFeraligatr wrote:
*Snip "

And no offense intended, but everything you stated is purely subjective on your part and ultimately is completely unfeasible Unfeasible because, no matter how you may wish it, none of your suggestions are achievable without completely gutting every single inch of the video games and building them back up from the ground up. And that, neither you or any modder is or will ever be capable of. As a written of fanfiction, certainly. But not in video game form.

Now... having said that... I could argue 2 damn thread pages worth on why the second paragraph is pure horse fecal matter and how the ME series makes it perfectly clear that, with proper planning and precautions, a human (or other race) can have a perfectly happy and health relationship with a quarian or turian, but I don't want to clutter up Deager's thread. If we're going to get all xenophobic with who Shepard can romance in these games (save for fellow humans and asari cause, f*** it, EVERYONE loves the asari as that one human on Illium claims :x ), lets keep drell like Thane out of the romance pool cause god forbid if Kepral's Syndrome were to spontaneously mutate due to space magic and start affecting humans. Or the salarians, god we can't have a human with a salarian, think of the poor confused children at that prospect! (ok admittedly Shepard doesn't get a salarian romance in these games, but hell, there has to be salarian/non-salarian-other-than-the-damn-asari relationships in this universe). "

Dude, chillax. No need to get super upset over not being to have your preferred Mass Effect girlfriend. Mass Effect 1 does not support that type of relationship, so that's one reason it's off the table for now.

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giftfish, thread "At this point, what do people want changed?", first posted on 19 Aug 2015, 13:51, no edits (post 25):

" " AVPen wrote:
horse fecal matter"


Rofl. "Horseshit" is my new favorite word, lately. I blame my husband.

" AVPen wrote:
So basically, I'm fine with whatever. I'm willing to take on small projects that interest me from a technical perspective but going all giftfish on something is not really what I want to do at this point."


Going "all out like giftfish" is something GIFTFISH doesn't want to do at this point. I'm very, very tired, and I still have way too much to do.

But, seriously, if anyone would have told me I was going to be developing another mod for a year, I would have told them they were insane.
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What comes down to is nobody's ever going to agree on how the games could be modified to fix the clusterfuck of crap storytelling that ME3 is. Like AVPen says, this is an extremely subjective thing. Nobody's opinion is "right" (though they might feel it is "true" to them -- a bit like religious faith), and perspectives that are a bit more extreme will garner more criticism than others. Either way, it's a moot point, b/c changes on the scale of "re-telling ME3 or re-telling the entire game" just aren't possible.

What we CAN do are change major characters to a certain extent (ThaneMOD/BO), alter plot events in the context of what's already been presented (JAM/MEHM/CEM/ThaneMOD), and remove minor characters (stupid kid). Something like a full-on re-write is fanfiction territory."

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JunkoXan, thread "At this point, what do people want changed?", first posted on 19 Aug 2015, 16:15, last edited on 19 Aug 2015, 16:17 (post 27):

" " KingFeraligatr wrote:
@avpen Thank you for the feedback. It is very appreciated (I'm being sincere). I am sorry you dislike it; but some of my main aims with NME2 and 3 was to improve consistency, awesomeness, cohesiveness, options, writing, plot, etc. Hence why it adjust builds on ME1 more (I personally find ME1 arguably the best in the series) and then some. I've given it thought, and some of what I came up with makes more sense to me. I am willing to consider making NME2 and 3 one giant ass game and it ends after that, but that defeats the purpose of making it trilogy. Still, all constructive feedback is welcome. This total rewrite is meant to build off the ideas from others. It's how I came up with in the first place. Sorry that you don't seem to fit my target audience.

And about the Team Dextro romance thing, it's all part of my plans to make NME2 and 3 make more sense and cut down on the amount or romance options (way too much IMO). Sure, some people might like it, but it does it make sense and is it humane that you risk Tali's life and Garrus's health? No, it doesn't and no, it isn't. As I said before, it seems you aren't my target audience and I don't feel like bending backwards to account for everyone. Be best friends with Tali if you must. Please just don't feed the illogicness of a Tali romance and don't feed the crazy Tali fans' (which you are not) insanity. It's nothing against Tali and Garrus (I like Garrus A LOT and I like Tali), but they don't need this. The fanbase doesn't need this.The series doesn't need this I'm truly sorry and I'm keeping true thoughts restrained out of respect. (You could blame the fact I consider myself an aromantic asexual and don't know what it's like. Nor do I care.)

Again, thanks for the feedback and I'm sorry that I offended."




I'll just leave this with how I see things in the Spoiler... I don't wish to take up more room.

Spoiler:
1. Tali's Health isn't exactly at risk when her adaptability to Shepard was cleared in under a year from contact, let alone all she had was a small fever which isn't life threatening to the Quarian's but rather infection is life threatening. no infection was present... again, Tali's Health was well acceptable. on that note, even Quarian to Quarian contact induces fever and other mild illness that clears up in a week or so (i.e. sharing environmental suit during the birth of Tali that her Mother and Aunt did). so using the health kicker isn't a great excuse as to dismiss a Human to Quarian romance in ME.

2. Garrus's Health isn't at risk but Shepard's was as Human biology isn't exactly 100% compatible, but there's remedies though to help minimize it all for Shepard. Garrus himself studied and took the steps to keep himself well kept, again Health wasn't problematic...

3. Garrus and Tali romances were and still are 2 of the Highest known story arcs, it's what made the series much better for SO MANY people. you say you're not being backwards for everyone, well, you're bending backwards for someone. that's usually only ones own self. and you "taking out" these 2 story arcs out due to being "Aromatic Asexual" is probably the most humorous thing I've heard and seen in a LONG while. also, must I say and remind that Romance for Garrus and Tali was also the 2 HIGHLY demanded story arc's? so, umm.... yeah... good luck with that.


"Options" you say Options yet, you delete options that many people would explore and enjoy. I'm sorry but when saying Options and then you take away Options... that's not right, not to someone who wants to explore everything of what would be, could be, and should be. at which currently as ME Trilogy stands, more variety, the better that's always been what ME was about. massive amounts of Variety of choices from romances to the final decisions. changing the story arc to what you have won't set well in general sense. also too, Geth? really? the Geth are very overplayed, 1 whole game where they are the main force you deal with is enough. let alone the events at the end of ME1 makes the Geth not a issue/threat, they all go beyond the Perseus Veil at the end of 1 with stragglers in ME2 Uncharted Missions which last mostly 5 minutes if that. the Tali Recruitment Mission, but can't count that as Geth and Quarian fighting over territory was the story arc for the Quarian's to reclaim their home world.

"The Fanbase does need this" in your opinion, they don't. but the people at Bioware Forums though? beg to differ.

I'll stop here as i said way too much as it is, it's no attack either if one is to presume it being. which in that case.... it would be "illogical" to think it is.


when I let people know how i think, I really do let people know also AVPen, they did do a good set up though with Mordin which turned into a joke with Femshep. i could say that was good flirty going on . :lol: "

This is a better defense, but I'm still not convinced to this day.

[King Feraligatr]

King Feraligatr, thread "At this point, what do people want changed?", first posted on 19 Aug 2015, 22:28, no edits (post 30):

"hanks for the feedback. I'll stand by my opinions, but other reasonable opinions are nice. And my rewrite would be a new game if it ever existed (which it likely won't), not a mod. I do what makes sense to me and to the people I want to appeal to. Thanks again."

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Deager, thread "At this point, what do people want changed?", first posted on 20 Aug 2015, 02:59, no edits (post 31):

" "KingFeraligatr wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. I'll stand by my opinions, but other reasonable opinions are nice. And my rewrite would be a new game if it ever existed (which it likely won't), not a mod. I do what makes sense to me and to the people I want to appeal to. Thanks again."



Yup, I'm all for this. I'm for people who put on a tin hat and go with Indoctrination Theory, re-writes like KingFeraligatr, AVPen's ideas...etc. I still find it amazing how this game got us so hooked for various reasons. I mean, if you hate the ending and get ticked it means you cared about the story/game/something overall enough to hate the ending or other problems you see.

So yeah, we do what we can. KingFeraligatr, you ever do massive fan-fic writing? Like, almost novel style? Your ideas would make for quite a read and might be a good process to get what you want out of it. I really liked the novels overall by Drew (I'm not too picky though, so I'm not a great gauge on quality) and that could be a very cathartic process.

Back to the point of this thread. I figured since a guy like Fob was willing to make MEHEM, which I still think is not his preferred ending, I think MEEM is, I should probably be nice too and do stuff maybe others can't. So, here's to modding! Here's to fanfic! And here's to having a fun community of obsessed fans of Mass Effect! (I'm virtually raising virtual beer since I'm plum out of a good lager right now.) "

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King Feraligatr, thread "ME2 ending mod (and now Leviathan chat)" (link to first page: me3explorer.freeforums.org/me2-ending-mod-and-now-leviathan-chat-t2232.html), first posted on 22 Jan 2016, 09:08, no edits (post 15):

"Reading those sites and the ideas here makes me feel out of my league, stupid, and more for creating my Rewrite. Sure it makes a ton more sense than BW ME2 and 3, has a plan, tries to be it's own thing, and more; but I really do not think I can even compare to them. Fortunately, it's in still in pre planning stages and is meant to be collaborative with me having the final say. Still, one must think how if I'm wasting a bunch of time on something I like, but ultimately needs a lot of work.

Also, anything that fixes up plotholes in the series is good. I hope you can go good places with this mod (and other ME2 mods)."

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Deager, thread "ME2 ending mod (and now Leviathan chat)", first posted on 22 Jan 2016, 18:08, no edits (post 16):

"@kingferaligatr
I wouldn't worry about feeling out of your league. The main thing is there are probably a dozen defend-able ideas that anyone can have with fiction. If you're enjoying your process of the re-write, keep at it. Who cares what anyone else thinks. Granted, overall that retrospective is excellent for pointing out motivations of characters and how they could/should be more realistic, but use those concepts and make your own story. I can't watch any serious tv show without saying "plot convenience" at least twice. If I say it more than 3 or 4 times in 10 minutes I don't watch the show. Do not get me started on Elysium. I was so looking forward to that movie and my goodness what a pile of crap. I couldn't even enjoy it as a popcorn flick.

I'm still thinking about ME2 though. I need to still see if I care. If I care, then I have to see if technically it can be done at a rudimentary level. And then of course, there's the actual story changes and what would make sense. CEM was easy, as it was simply moved on the timeline. LIME was easy because it got rid of the starbrat and either crushes Shepard or everyone eat lucky charms for all 3 meals. This ME2 stuff....this is getting into very complex territory. "